Following is part of a conversation relaying a concept I'm actively pursuing in regards to unification theories. It's in the theory/philosophy stages, so forgive if you know more than I do. And please feel free to enlighten me.
I want to explore this idea till it's exhausted. I invite anyone with knowledge and/or imagination to join me.
sanitys3j: So, I think that -getting away from VR theory- the other most plausible explanation to tie together Quantum Mechanics & Relativity is time.
sanitys3j: ...... speaking of stop motion
sanitys3j: it's sort of along the same premise as stop motion
sanitys3j: want to hear another of my theories?
Anna: okay, but i am not familiar with many technical terms
sanitys3j: Do you think time exists?
sanitys3j: yes or no
sanitys3j: don't think too much about that
Anna: it does for me
sanitys3j: you THINK it does for you, &, maybe it does......
sanitys3j: anyway..... Do you think time (as a measurement) can be altered. Bent or changed? As a measurement, not as in time travel & changing the past & viewing the future.
Anna: um... time can be measured in different ways
sanitys3j: but, in any of those ways, can the measurement itself be altered? (this actually has a provable "right" answer)
sanitys3j: this is just precursory to get an idea of your education on the topic & your preconceived notions
sanitys3j: not like I'm "grilling you" or anything
Anna: the measurement always seems to be a little off, that's why we need leap years and stuff
sanitys3j: Time, as a measurement, can be "bent" according to relativity. In real tests, an atomic clock on the ground & an atomic clock sent in a plane around the world end up with different times.
sanitys3j: They're atomic fucking clocks (the most accurate time-keeping device known to man), so, that means time is variable. Not a constant &, as such, can only be used with limited consistency.
sanitys3j: Time, like everything else, is subject to it's circumstances & conditions.
sanitys3j: On a side note, this is actually some fodder to my "time doesn't exist" theory as well.
sanitys3j: are you with me so far?
Anna: yes
sanitys3j: ok
sanitys3j: well, are you familiar at all with the phrase "quantum entanglement"?
Anna: no
sanitys3j: it states that two quantum particles that have become "entangled" (this means they shared the same space, mass, & energy for a mere nanosecond or less) will exhibit the same properties henceforth.
Anna: same properties as each other?
sanitys3j: No matter how far away from each other they are. Light years away, if one of the 2 (potentially more) quantum particles weaves a zigzag, the other -light years away- will _at_the_same_moment_ carve the same exact zigzag at the same exact time
sanitys3j: Think about that for a moment. There is NOTHING, to our present scientific comprehension, that can travel faster than the speed of light.
Annar: particles blend and then act like each other
Anna: similar to human relationships, heh
sanitys3j: similar (Megan, my biochemist ex-lover & I had some cool theories) to the way twins are "linked" or a school of fish often does the exact same thing (or several, if not all the fish) at the same moment
Anna: yep
sanitys3j: ok
sanitys3j: so how does it happen faster than the speed of light?
Anna: .....
sanitys3j: I'm convinced (taking away the VR theory for the time being, though actually it may work with the VR theory) that the laws of time, being knowingly subjective to other stimuli, are different at a subatomic level.
sanitys3j: This is actually a relatively agreed upon "fact".
anitys3j: However, no one understands how it works. I think the key to that lack of understanding is the inability to think outside the subjective constraints of time in this reality.
sanitys3j: If time ceases to exist, atrophy on a broad scale occurs.
Anna: i thought time causes atrophy
sanitys3j: You exist, simultaneously, in Trillions of different spaces at the same time & sometimes the same space.
sanitys3j: Atrophy of the time space continuum
Anna: k
Anna: continue
sanitys3j: so, we know time as a measurement changes due to varied circumstances......... THAT is the key to tying relativity in with quantum mechanics.
sanitys3j: I mean, time changes a bit on a trip around the world. Think of the VASTLY HUGE difference between that & subatomic particles.
Anna: yes
sanitys3j: I don't have the necessary schooling, unfortunately, to prove this theory mathematically.
sanitys3j: And, thus far, I haven't had enough gumption to school myself (though all the tools are there for me when I choose to, which may be soon).
Anna: you mean like us flying around the world vs. quantum particles?
sanitys3j: So, since time goes more quickly when you're flying at light speed around a planet than it does when you're standing on the planet.......
Anna: yes, like the snail and the turtle thing
sanitys3j: This means that time, as a measurement, is moving IMMENSELY slower at the subatomic level that it is to us.
Anna: yes
sanitys3j: That's the key, I think. I can't believe no one's delved into it more.
sanitys3j: If time is moving slllooooowly at the subatomic level, an evolution or journey taking (in that subatomic particle's lifetime) hundreds of years, may seem to us, in our subjective time, to be instantaneous.
Anna: yes
sanitys3j: it's really pretty simple & straight forward, I thnk
Anna: indeed
sanitys3j: however, that's only one piece of the puzzle
sanitys3j: subatomic particles are very "random" & chaotic. We have to change our understanding on chaos theory & how order may be built in different forms from that random chaos.
sanitys3j: I think though, the understanding of the factor of time, may help that understanding quite a bit.
Anna: yes
sanitys3j: ok, have I bored you to tears yet?
Anna: do you know what the snail said when he caught a ride on the back of the turtle?
sanitys3j: wow, now we're really moving
sanitys3j: or something like that
Anna: "WHEEEEE!"
If anyone out there has any knowledge on this idea being explored further, please leave a comment with links for me.
I'm particularly interested in how you would set up the equation & the values that need to be plugged in to said equation. Information I haven't been able to find yet.
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Sir,
Just so you know, when you type in the following into google : "unification quantum relativity time is variable", yours is the second post that comes up. So it's a good starting place to know that at least one other person shares my view on this subject.
I have some more thoughts to throw in your hat and make blood come our your ears. I'm just wondering if you've made any headway in your research (found papers with similar theories?).
My mind got turning on the idea of relative time as the linking variable between quantum physics and relativity while trying to understand the difficulty combining in Unification. String theory might sound elegant, but theory is not a theory unless it can be tested. So I turned to other thoughts.
What strikes me (and you apparently) as elementary is that all of the forces at work in both quantum and relative theory are constant (there are 20 constant numbers, I believe). Everything but time.....(people has also said speed is variable, but speed is nothing but a function of time). Time is variable as you pointed out. It's relative in relation to 'where you're standing'
One of the major arguments stems from the question "Why is the quantum world so chaotic and the relative world so calm?" and "Why is chaos theory so prominent in quantum and near non-existent in relativity". So basically, why are the large and the small so very different. I submit, that perhaps they are not. Perhaps our perception of them is.
The time variable seems to answer both questions, but inversely from the way you put it.
Let me put it like this: Let's pretend you're the observer (the entity unaffected by time, space, or force). You are walking around a bus station and observing it just as we do and you're carrying a remote control. Then you push a button and shrink yourself down to the subatomic level and as you do, things start becoming more and more chaotic. So, now you're shrunk down to particle size and everything around you is completely chaotic: things slipping in and out of reality, matter existing in multiple places at once, etc.
Now this is the fun part......The observer pushes another button and comes back to our slow, predictable bus station and now he hits the fast-forward button. This fast-forward button can speed up the world billions and billions of times. Now, what would our world look like at 1,000,000,000x speed? Pretty chaotic, it would "APPEAR" matter existing in multiple places......it would "APPEAR" matter disappears from reality then snaps back.
My overall statement of theory for Unification is that the forces that govern the universe including gravity, the strong nuclear force, the weak nuclear force, and electromagnetism are constant dependant on the object's mass (of course gravity is near meaningless on the subatomic level because there's very little mass). TIME however is inversely proportional to the amount of mass (the smaller the object, the more time speeds up) this creates the illusion of a chaotic quantum world when really it is just our universe observing something that's taking place at a speed far greater than we can process.
Thanks.....I just needed to write this out.
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